moved a 3 pound plant 10 inches and dislocated c5, t7, and t8. I also have a lovely pinched nerve in my neck. Chiropractor adjusted things for me (Chiropractor not...
Ehlers-Danlos F. replied:
Yeah. A doctor and an MRI. Those are *not* good things. * * * * * Chiropractic adjustment of the neck is more than not advised, it's absolutely contraindicated—should not be done on people with connective tissue disorders like EDS: "The World Health Organization considers any connective tissue disorder as an absolute contraindication to cervical (neck) manipulation and joint hypermobility as a relative contraindication." Brad Tinkle, Joint Hypermobility Handbook p. 103 (World Health Organization, 2005, Guidelines on basic training and safety in chiropractic, Geneva). Tinkle goes on to say, "Manipulation of joints that are dislocated or prone to subluxation is considered an absolute contraindication…Forceful and rapid neck manipulation of someone with EDS-HM should remain a contraindication." And from http://journals.lww.com/neurologynow/Fulltext/2011/07050/Hidden_Hercules__Actor_Kevin_Sorbo_reveals_his.15.aspx “Chiropractic manipulation of the neck carries the risk of tearing the vertebral artery that leads to the brain, thereby causing stroke or transient ischemic attack,” Dr. Kirshner says. “Although the risk is low, it does happen, and physicians and patients should be aware of spinal manipulation therapy as a rare but potential risk factor for stroke.” … A 2003 study in the American Academy of Neurology's journal Neurology confirmed the connection between cervical manipulation and stroke. Wade S. Smith, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Neurovascular Service at the University of California at San Francisco and an AAN member, found that patients under age 60 who had strokes from tears in the vertebral artery were six times more likely to have had spinal manipulative therapy in the 30 days prior to their stroke than patients who had strokes from other causes. "… patients and physicians need to realize that a significant increase in neck pain or neurologic symptoms within 30 days following spinal manipulative therapy warrants immediate medical evaluation.”Dr. Smith recommends that …chiropractic practitioners performing spinal manipulative therapy should warn patients of the risk of tearing the vertebral artery.“I encourage patients to discuss with their chiropractor the types of spinal manipulations that are practiced and whether they pose a risk of stroke,” Dr. Smith says.
Ehlers-Danlos F. replied:
Ah. From what you describe initially… As long as it's that gentle, I doubt it would be a problem. Send the pix to me, EDSerMark@gmail.com — we're working on the site internally (we were being cyberattacked), so it may be a little while before I can get them included. [M]
Does anyone know a Dr. in the Nashville, Tn area that can help with treatment? I specifically need someone to show me how to reset an elbow and hip joint that...
Ehlers-Danlos F. replied:
You may be able to find someone through these resources. EDNF Physicians Directory http://www.ednf.org/ednf-physician-directory?shs_term_node_tid_depth=All&country=us&province=All These don't have contact information, but if you see someone you'd like to contact, search for them online: EDNF Professional Advisory Network http://www.ednf.org/professional-advisory-network Speakers for 2011 EDNF National Conference http://issuu.com/markmartino8/docs/speaker_list__old_site__2011 2012 http://issuu.com/markmartino8/docs/speaker_list__old_site__2012 2013 http://issuu.com/markmartino8/docs/speaker_list__old_site_ You might also ask at the EDNF Inspire Online Community, http://www.inspire.com/groups/ehlers-danlos-national-foundation/ — or search for a local group near you here on Facebook, many of which keep doctor lists. If you have a connective tissue disorder, chiropractic manipulation on the neck is an absolute contraindication, and honestly, manipulation of the spine is controversial, too — the spine is just a series of joints, and can be as hypermobile as all our other joints. This is particularly worth considering given your subsequent post; there is a correlation between chiropractic manipulation and subsequent vertebral artery strokes. "The World Health Organization considers any connective tissue disorder as an absolute contraindication to cervical (neck) manipulation and joint hypermobility as a relative contraindication." Brad Tinkle, Joint Hypermobility Handbook p. 103 (World Health Organization, 2005, Guidelines on basic training and safety in chiropractic, Geneva, http://www.who.int/medicines/areas/traditional/Chiro-Guidelines.pdf). Tinkle goes on to say, "Manipulation of joints that are dislocated or prone to subluxation is considered an absolute contraindication…Forceful and rapid neck manipulation of someone with EDS-HM should remain a contraindication." Chiropractic and Stroke ******* From http://journals.lww.com/neurologynow/Fulltext/2011/07050/Hidden_Hercules__Actor_Kevin_Sorbo_reveals_his.15.aspx “Chiropractic manipulation of the neck carries the risk of tearing the vertebral artery that leads to the brain, thereby causing stroke or transient ischemic attack,” Dr. Kirshner says. “Although the risk is low, it does happen, and physicians and patients should be aware of spinal manipulation therapy as a rare but potential risk factor for stroke.” … A 2003 study in the American Academy of Neurology's journal Neurology confirmed the connection between cervical manipulation and stroke. Wade S. Smith, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Neurovascular Service at the University of California at San Francisco and an AAN member, found that patients under age 60 who had strokes from tears in the vertebral artery were six times more likely to have had spinal manipulative therapy in the 30 days prior to their stroke than patients who had strokes from other causes. "… patients and physicians need to realize that a significant increase in neck pain or neurologic symptoms within 30 days following spinal manipulative therapy warrants immediate medical evaluation.”Dr. Smith recommends that …chiropractic practitioners performing spinal manipulative therapy should warn patients of the risk of tearing the vertebral artery.“I encourage patients to discuss with their chiropractor the types of spinal manipulations that are practiced and whether they pose a risk of stroke,” Dr. Smith says.
Does anyone have any experience with EDS and chiropractic treatments? Would you recommend it or not?
Ehlers-Danlos F. replied:
"The World Health Organization considers any connective tissue disorder as an absolute contraindication to cervical (neck) manipulation and joint hypermobility as a relative contraindication." Brad Tinkle, Joint Hypermobility Handbook p. 103 (World Health Organization, 2005, Guidelines on basic training and safety in chiropractic, Geneva, http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2006/9241593717_eng.pdf). Tinkle goes on to say, "Manipulation of joints that are dislocated or prone to subluxation is considered an absolute contraindication…Forceful and rapid neck manipulation of someone with EDS-HM should remain a contraindication." "There is little evidence that spinal manipulation is an effective treatment for headaches, according to the authors of a new study. … The authors are concerned about the potential complications associated with spinal manipulation. A 1996 RAND study found that the rate of severe complications—including strokes—was just three for every two million neck manipulations. However, in another study Dr. Ernst found more than 700 unreported severe complications, suggesting that the rate is potentially much higher. …given the lack of quality evidence supporting spinal manipulation for headaches due to neck strain, 'patients should be advised to use other therapies,' Dr. Ernst said." From "Can Spinal Manipulation Help People With Headaches?" http://www.ednf.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2113&Itemid=88889064 and http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1526-4610.2011.01932.x/abstract "Spinal Manipulations for Cervicogenic Headaches: A Systematic Review of Randomized Clinical Trials" * * * * * From http://journals.lww.com/neurologynow/Fulltext/2011/07050/Hidden_Hercules__Actor_Kevin_Sorbo_reveals_his.15.aspx “Chiropractic manipulation of the neck carries the risk of tearing the vertebral artery that leads to the brain, thereby causing stroke or transient ischemic attack,” Dr. Kirshner says. “Although the risk is low, it does happen, and physicians and patients should be aware of spinal manipulation therapy as a rare but potential risk factor for stroke.” … A 2003 study in the American Academy of Neurology's journal Neurology confirmed the connection between cervical manipulation and stroke. Wade S. Smith, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Neurovascular Service at the University of California at San Francisco and an AAN member, found that patients under age 60 who had strokes from tears in the vertebral artery were six times more likely to have had spinal manipulative therapy in the 30 days prior to their stroke than patients who had strokes from other causes. "… patients and physicians need to realize that a significant increase in neck pain or neurologic symptoms within 30 days following spinal manipulative therapy warrants immediate medical evaluation.”Dr. Smith recommends that …chiropractic practitioners performing spinal manipulative therapy should warn patients of the risk of tearing the vertebral artery.“I encourage patients to discuss with their chiropractor the types of spinal manipulations that are practiced and whether they pose a risk of stroke,” Dr. Smith says.
McLean fb friends....looking for a chiropractor. Any suggestions????
Monica B. replied:
Dr Alex Wong is awesome. He is in Herndon which sucks but he is amazing!,, he is a body whisperer.
Jennifer C. replied:
LOVE Active Family Chiro out here in Reston. Husband and wife docs. They're the best!
Mary G. replied:
Dr Kirsten Grove. Recommended to me by a doctor. Went 2 six chiro's in mclean. None were any good, found her. Amazing. She is more than a chiro, works on Olympic athletes, no crack & pop. Different approach. U r back in the game quick. Anyway, very reasonable, takes insurance & located right by Elizabeth Arden!
Karen P. replied:
I swear by Dr Christopher Frey in Falrfax (Lee Hwy & Blake Lane)!! Miracle worker! And the sweetest guy (wears a bow tie!!)
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