Do chiropractors fix subluxations? Honest question looking for answers. Thanks
Marc B. replied:
I'm in year 7 of practice and I work with an RMT, a CK and have professional connections with nurse practitioners, dentists, podiatrists and MDs. They understand and appreciate the importance of manual care. CMCC teaches philosophy, yes, but it is not dogmatic and it is not BJ or bust. Vitalism is strong. There is a big emphasis though on evidence-informed practice and chiropractic research. I can understand BTDT with some of the older docs and I can surmize that the younger generation of MDs and allied health providers are more holistic and receptive themselves because now there is research to support manual methods. In roads are being made because rather than falling back on philosophy to describe how chiropractic "works" we can point to the science of mechanobiology. Science isn't everything and I'm not suggesting that clinical experience doesn't matter. We (DCs) don't have to apologize but we do have to communicate better with other professionals. And given that we are unique with our philosophy, we can do a better job at communicating through a scientific-lens. I can practice an MSK focus and be vitalistic at the same time. When I hear of IBS being improved, of eye sight being improved with cervical and thoracic adjustments I understand there is more going on than what we can currently explain. I'd like to know why specifically some populations have these responses and some don't. Hence, scientific inquiry. This allows us to give better treatments, minimize adverse reactions, improve patient outcomes and become more credible. So, I encourage anyone here to do their part and document what we see daily. N=1 trials are robust and would help build our research base. It all starts with field clinicians like us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_of_1_trial
Terry W. replied:
Peter I will explain my point but yes and no can exist at the same time. I will explain later
Alan L. replied:
The Innate in the body of the patient doesn’t acknowledge a difference between the force introduced by falling down the stairs (or over the Simpson trash can) and the force introduced by a chiropractor. They both are negative survival values until Innate adapts the force, Principle 23, so it can be used in that patient and it is then a constructive survival value. The difference is the Chiropractor introduces the force to the best of his/her educated ability as close to what s/he thinks Innate can, use with the intention of offering that force to allow the subluxation to be corrected. Innate adapts the force and makes a correction to the subluxation “so that all parts of the body will have coordinated action for mutual benefit.” Or as the “old” guys used to say, “The Chiropractor thrusts. The body adjusts.”
Marc B. replied:
Luca Nannetti DC the effects of the adjustment/SMT appear to be non-specific for pain control as seen here. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23431209.
Alan L. replied:
Well, we've gotten way far afield from Do XRs fix subluxations. Marc, I am one of the older guys now, in practice 30 years this September 18. I have no issue with anything you say about science. Although some of my scientific knowledge is not as strong as it could be, I do use it when it is appropriate with patients and other providers. i feel like our core principles are not being taught in a viable way in most schools today. Our philosophy is why we are different and in order to maintain our existence must be understood and advanced. There is a difference between understanding possible mechanisms for the result of what we do and adjusting to achieve that result. There may be a connection for the pain relief for a massive disc herniation at L5 and my adjusting C2 (true story), but if I had been adjusting to remove the pain rather than to remove subluxations, the likely hood of a C2 adjustment would have been minimal. We exist today because we offer a separate and distinct health service from allopaths and physical therapists. The more we blur the difference the greater we risk elimination as a redundant service. I believe on of the purposes of this group is to help us to remained focused on those distinctions. You should read Leonard Rutherford's book The Role of Chiropractic, if you can find it. The history, through the 80's, is there and he clearly knows his science as well. BTW, in the appendix a treatise on how adjusting can affect hearing loss.
Marc B. replied:
Alan, Herby and Edward: I don't see how any other health profession will ever match our expertise in adjustments. They do not have the teaching, the hours, the theory, etc. I think it's misguided that the lines are blurred. They can practice more manually, but no one has our expertise. This is the first I've heard of medipractor and I don't see how that's the case given I don't want to Rx rights and use a holistic approach 100%. I personally enjoy all aspects of manual care. I have no idea Edward why you think CMCC is osteopathy, and don't forget, DD said "Having been assured that the underlying philosophy of chiropractic is the same as that of osteopathy...Chiropractic is osteopathy gone to seed." Ref: Leach, Robert (2004). The Chiropractic Theories: A Textbook of Scientific Research. Lippincott, Williams and Wilkins. p. 15.
Marc B. replied:
Herby Bell See this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtkYvH5ULvM. Great for determining whether or not joint dysfunction/subluxation is a compensation from adverse neural tension.
Brian E. replied:
Marc Bronson BJ may of adjusted it once, but the patient came back everyday to have it checked. So really a patient could of had 88 visits, but was only adjusted once. btw the magical 88 visits comes from the supposed well researched Mercy Guidelines when you break it down. Just some info
Luca D. replied:
Sometimes the "expedient means" = new scientific discoveries (therefore they dis-covered something which was hidden to consciousness, to that point) RESEMBLES the TRUTH which we try to investigate..Some other times, like in POETRY, the expedient means ARE the TRUTH. Rather than being outdated, the same word "Innate Intelligence" CARRIES with IT such a REVOLUTIONARY concept AND truth at THE SAME TIME, which can just be understood by listening to the VIBRATIONS it elicits in OUR HEARTS, like an utmost poetry line..I see our predecessors as POETS who distilled for us BOTH scientific explanation AND truth at the same time. We are left with the burden to aknowledge this, before it's too late. And yes, sometimes we may help someone, doing the effort to TRANSLATE it into "simplistic scientific terms" to those who are still deaf and blind to THE BEAUTY OF THE MIRACLE OF LIFE..Therefore also the "new science" plays the role of an "expedient means" to REVEAL TRUTH!
Edward B. replied:
Philosophy, Science, Art
Herby B. replied:
Go Dr. Barge. Can still hear his commanding voice. What a presence...
Marc B. replied:
Agreed Michael Gruttadauria. It's the same idea between eliminate adverse neural tension on the peripheral nerves which connect to the CNS. I adjust whatever articular dysfunction remains following eliminating PNS tension. In turn, we can be more "specific" with our adjustments and targeting subluxations that aren't compensatory.
Okay guys, question. Who does everyone use for a chiropractor and how often do you have your horse adjusted? My horse is located in Chestertown NY, so prefer someone in...
Sue H. replied:
I think Dr Sarah Jensen of Granville Veterinary will travel to Chestertown. She does acupuncture also
Bj L. replied:
Donna Lavery is phenomenal and is here in NY about every 6 weeks or so.
Sue H. replied:
Dr Jensen office number is 518-642-1676. They do have website and FB.