Just a question using your crystal balls all electricians -- I need a socket putting in wall to move fridge - there is a socket on other side of walk ( in living room)...
David J. replied:
Marc Ferrier?
Simon B. replied:
You are quite correct, Ian Lunn . I should have said Part P notifiable. However, not all domestic work must be carried out by an electrician. As long as it meets building regs, anyone can do it. Even notifiable work can be carried out by anyone, I believe, as long as it is certified by a qualified electrician. Well, that's my understanding, but I'm no electrician.
Ian L. replied:
I dont know of any electricians who will certify someone else's work.... I wouldn't, unless MAYBE I had overseen the work. To expand on this; I am no longer in a "scheme" as all my work is commercial. But I rewired my flat in Oxford and they ( The B CO's) didn't ( at first) want to accept my documentation!!!. I got over it on a technicality. The BCO explained that he is not an electrician, but will have to sign off the work for it to be passed. This then makes him liable too?? Understandably, they aren't happy. So it seems that now, if I want to add a spur say ( which most people can do in the dark ) I have to join NAPPIT/ NICEIC If you're not an electrician, you are very unlikely to get accredited and you certainly wont get insured. Remember, It is all for the protection of the home owner. I have seen some horrible jobs over the years, including: lights wired up with bell wire ( by a conservatory company) and wall lights spurred off of a ring main with 0.75 MM flex running at around 45% and buried in the wall. To finish, one of the worst jobs I have ever seen was in THIS house when we bought it.... The previous owner had "run a supply down to the garage". This was a piece of 4MM Twin and Earth ( standard cable ) Which ran to the shed, under the lawn!! then (to top it off) he had run it up into the roof void and wired it into the LIVE side of the incoming tails from the meter (where they go into the switch on the SUPPLY side). So, unless you physically pulled the wires out from the fuse board on the live side, you had no way of turning off the supply! Imagine the risks of that being on an 80 amp supply!! Or hitting that with a garden fork! Would be a quick and spectacular exit
Ian L. replied:
Richard, They are indeed called self certification schemes. But, you have to have your work inspected annually /from time to time, by one of the scheme's inspectors. They dont accept an electrical installation condition report in Oxford or Brighton/ Hove... Im not sure how long it will be before Fareham/ Gosport/ Winchester adopt the same stance. I'm just glad I'm out of the domestic work.
Dan H. replied:
Richard Banks he's the king of small jobs!
Ian L. replied:
No one cares?... But they should My last gasp is this, pulled from one of the many forums Says it all as it is >> Q: Should I pick a qualified/registered electrician? A;: Absolutely YES! As the HOUSEHOLDER it is YOUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that electrical work undertaken within your home is carried out by a registered electrician and complies with Part P of the building regulations. Failure to do this may result in you being fined up to £5000 for breaching the regulations. Part P came into effect in 2005 after an MP's daughter was killed by poor quality electrical works, and since then all electrical works must be carried out by a registered installer and an electrical certificate issued on completion of the work. Google Part P for more information or take a look at the Electricity Safety Council website for some great FREE consumer guides that explain the situation in more detail. Unregistered electricians seldom if ever issue certificates and will always be cheaper than using a registered electrician. The main issue comes though when you come to move and sell on the property, as 9 times out of 10, this is when the council and conveyancer find that there is no certificate and the works have not been registered under part P! Often resulting in the sale falling through and wost case the electrical work being redone! Best way to ensure everything will be OK is to hire an NICEIC registered electrician, you can ask to see their NICEIC Identity card and/or check out their registration online at the niceic website. There are other scheme operators for electricians such as NAPIT and ELECSA, but NICEIC is the biggest. I appreciate that there are those who wish to risk their cash, their biggest asset and life to dabble with electric's. My daughter calls it 'Natural Selection'. Night night.
Richard B. replied:
I would say £40-65 + materials. 07962983556
Joan B. replied:
Marc Ferrier a wonderful electrician and a very pleasant man
Ian L. replied:
Simon Burton / all. Just for info wink emoticon ANY electrical job in a domestic property is subject to Part P !! MUST be carried out by a qualified electrician. Doesn't matter if its in the kitchen or the bedroom ( as the bishop said to the actress wink emoticon )...