Yoga Instructors in Las Vegas, NV

Gayla Coughlin: "@Maria I understand that IAYT uses the ayurvedic, it's the statement you make of providing "treatment" to a client for a fee." Ummm....I can't see where I made that statement in this thread, but ok, I'll take your point. "That needs licensing!." Maybe, maybe not. They are trying to self- regulate (i.e. Set uniform standards and curriculums so the gov't or anybody 'outside' doesn't have to). I don't see a problem with that, as long as the process is transparent to consumers and practitioners alike- which it is, thus far. "Even an MT cannot provide treatment or diagnose, and it appears as if IAYT is skirting and pushing for so called "self-regulation" and calling Holistic Medicine (an already regulated industry) "yoga" to avoid credentialing. Massage is also performed in conjunction with PT (There is no confusion in this head) and we require license." YT is not trying to be part of Western medicine or under that umbrella. It's trying to walk along side it, offering clients an alternative view of health and wellness while not excluding the Western views. They are not 'avoiding' credentialing- my goodness!, they've been working for years now to get the credentialing process *right* so Western med people won't shun them and it won't harm clients. Did you even read the links I posted?!? They produce a peer-reviewed journal. Here is a link to that: http://iayt.metapress.com/content/121117/... It really does seem like you are not really understanding what Yoga Therapy is, what they are trying to do via credentialing and generally making an issue of turf rather than substance, particularly when your facts concerning IAYT are repeatedly incorrect. Fascial Stretching: "I'm worried about yoga practitioners getting misinformed and confused about Scope of Practice and getting busted/sued out of ignorance. -edit- ^^Because those teaching them the techniques are in a position to convince them they are ok....they don't look any further." Yep, I'm concerned about that as well. The cat is out of the bag, though. I'm not sure how to stuff one back in...you?

Maria....you said Western Medicine.....however I referred to Eastern/Oriental Medicine. In Nevada the definitions are here: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-634A.html Passage Definitions are here (omitted acupunture as IAYT doesn't do that) If IAYT teaches RYT to do any of these things then they would be in violation of the Oriental Board of Medicine unless they hold license with them. NRS634A.020Definitions.As used in this chapter, unless the context otherwise requires: 4.“Herbal medicine” and “practice of herbal medicine” mean suggesting, recommending, prescribing or directing the use of herbs for the cure, relief or palliation of any ailment or disease of the mind or body, or for the cure or relief of any wound, bodily injury or deformity. 5.“Herbs” means plants or parts of plants valued for medicinal qualities. 6.“Oriental medicine” means that system of the healing art which places the chief emphasis on the flow and balance of energy in the body mechanism as being the most important single factor in maintaining the well-being of the organism in health and disease. The term includes the practice of acupuncture and herbal medicine and other services approved by the Board.

Your not bursting my bubble. You are letting your personal experience as a client ie 'it's happened to me" color your judgment as a professional. License does not protect people from all harm, it sets a minimum standard of expected care, so your argum ent of lawsuits does not even make sense. Regulation would actually increase the number and ability to claim a lawsuit when performance was compromised, not decrease it because it draws a line at what was expected by each party. It is essentially a contract. And your mixing arguments. I was taking about people paid to employ manual therapy techniques, not regulating your spiritual practices. Go pray or yoga all you want. YRT has a min cert for yoga and that's great. Or go to a traditional spiritual leader who likely won't charge but will go ask for a donation. Thai massage is massage not religion. Manual therapy is regulated. Period. Just because a yoga teacher wants to offer it does not change the law. We do not live in country where all opinions are respected....if they are outside the law. It many not have caught up yet, but it will, there is a cause and effect. Reading back on your posts you have again and again tried to switch the argument to 'regulating yoga'. thai massage is not yoga. It is massage. If someone was hurt with no regulation, I would expect criminal charges of a fairly stiff nature to be laid and the argument would likely be that the client was lead into believing this person was qualified, With a manual therapy license I would expect a lawsuit.

Look I don't know you, but I am certainly not angry at you. But there is no overlap between yoga and massage. Yoga teachers are not licensed to touch people. Massage therapists are. And just because it is not enforced daily does not mean that it is not enforced at all. In the same way that you might get away with stealing if you do not get caught, but eventually you will and it is wrong and against the law.

I'm not angry at you, either. The overlap I see is where yoga teachers give physical adjustments, postural cues, and yes, sometimes rub or stretch the student. This is all part of everyday yoga. I agree that yoga teachers are no licensed to touch peo ple...but they do, all the time. I don't see it as stealing. A yoga teacher using touch is not depriving me of anything. I don't believe that we as MT's hold exclusive rights to touch a body. As I've said, many other professions do it too. As long as the client is safe, I am happy. My State Board of Massage Therapy does not care that Yoga Teachers use touch or even Thai massage at times. In fact, they gave a certain yoga teacher/MT CEU status to teach Thai massage to both yogis and massage therapists. If my governing body doesn't enforce the law that's in place, what good is it? Maybe it's enforced elsewhere; I don't know. I can only speak to what happens here.

And Here: http://nccam.nih.gov/health/decisions/credentialing.htm "There is no standardized, national system for credentialing complementary health practitioners. State and local governments are responsible for deciding what credentials practitioners must have to work in their jurisdiction. The credentials required for complementary health practitioners vary tremendously from state to state and from discipline to discipline." Are yoga therapists registering with Boards like these?

Jennifer Kemp Quintana: "Maria, "If people take more accountability and do their due diligence, they have only themselves to blame when something goes awry (usually, there is always going to be something one cannot foresee)." So, are you saying that people can only blame themselves if something goes awry even if the unforeseeable occurs, or except when the unforeseeable occurs?" I'm saying that with proper due diligence and personal responsibility, the likelihood of unforeseen events is reduced. The onus is placed on the person rather than on the system. Of course, we cannot foresee every possible situation/outcome, so there are outliers to this belief that will occur. So, in answer to your question- except when the unforeseeable occurs. "And "I do think it's (Thai massage) massage" and "I don't mind if yoga teachers want to give a Thai massage, I just want the client to be safe" then "I agree that MT is and should be regulated." So massage should be regulated, except when it's Thai massage done by yoga teachers, even though that's also massage? " Massage Therapy should be regulated. When I go to a MT, I want to know that they are licensed with a set of basic competences. I don't believe that we hold (as MT's) exclusive rights to modalities of touch. So, even though I consider Thai Massage to be a massage modality, I don't believe in prohibiting anyone else from the use of the technique. Buyer beware. When I go to a yoga teacher offering Thai (and I've done my due diligence), I can know that they are not trained in massage therapy but maybe they spent a year in Thailand learning Thai massage. I have to check out their credentials to know- that's on me. It's all over the internet, for goodness sake! There are DVD's and books and blogs.....how do we stop people from using a technique that is so pervasive? Just like I believe that MFR is a massage modality, yet I see personal trainers using it on clients all the time. We cannot put the genie back into the bottle. Yes, there are laws against it, but like I've said, in my area they are not enforced. "I'm really not following your argument as you seem to be arguing a number of conflicting points of view. Can you please clarify?" Does the above answer your questions or is there something else I can clarify? "Personally, I do not agree that yoga teachers should be rubbing or stretching any student at any time. It is not necessary and it is beyond the scope of practice of a yoga teacher. I certainly don't think yoga teachers should be doing Thai massage. For the record, I am both a LMT and a yoga teacher, and have also taught massage." I agree it's not necessary and probably beyond the scope, but it happens. I've seen yoga teachers that have spent years learning anatomy/physiology/kinesiology, some spending time in Thailand learning Thai Massage- are they really not qualified because they don't have MT behind their name? As a yoga teacher, I rarely touch my students, which is kinda funny since I'm technically legal to do so. "If massage therapists don't defend their scope of practice, who will? If we think it is reasonable for anyone to practice massage therapy, with or without a license or an appropriate education, why are we continuing to register and maintain our licenses?" I continue to maintain my license because it's the right thing to do.

A Yoga Therapist is not qualified to prescribe herbal formulas anywhere, that I'm aware of. In my yoga therapist TT, we are taught basic Ayurvedic principles, not which herbs to use when. If one wishes to learn such things, more in depth study (i.e. a degree in Naturopathic Medicine or equivalent) is recommended.

https://www.facebook.com/.../Paya-passive.../282362508461307 No license or certifcation needed. Passive assisted yoga alignment, right in the heart of Texas. The stars at night are big and bright.....clap clap clap Don't like that then you can declare yourself your own church and own http://thaimassage.com/ For what it's worth I mostly agree with Maria Troeger . I gave a demo of Table Thai and was informed by an AMTA member that anyone can do Thai bodywork but they cannot call it massage. Ain't law grand? :D By the way, the links I posted aren't to libel or say these folks don't do good work. I've started several Thai massage groups and I allow them to post their information without stopping them or censoring them in any way. I don't fully agree with the situation but I feel powerless to do anything to change it.

Maria Troeger stated, "If someone goes to Thailand and spends a year or two studying Thai Massage, I believe they would probably wind up more qualified than many MT's who practice the modality after a 6-8 hr CEU. I don't believe that person should be ex cluded from giving Thai Massage simply because they don't have 'MT' following their name. I think that's turf war baloney. If a person is qualified, by whatever means, they are qualified in my book. I recognize that the law doesn't see things this way." They may be more skilled at Thai Massage, but I don't think that would make them "more qualified". Aside from being familiar with a modality, a massage therapist should be familiar with the ethics and professional standards required for practice in the area where they practice, familiar with the laws governing practice in that area, knowledgeable about anatomy, physiology, pathology, and contraindications, know how to conduct a client intake/assessment, know how to document their sessions, etcetera. Regardless of a person's familiarity with Thai Massage techniques, I don't consider them qualified to practice unless they also have the other knowledge/skill sets I mentioned... unless they legally meet the qualifications established in the laws governing practice in their area. As a former yoga instructor, I am concerned about the trend towards "yoga therapists". There is little/no standardization, and virtually no oversight. Many "yoga therapists" have little/no training in the knowledge/skill sets I mentioned above. They have familiarity with the practice of yoga, but what do they actually know about being a therapist? I've seen some good examples, but have also had to work with too many clients that were injured by yoga instructors and/or yoga therapists who didn't recognize the limits of their knowledge/ability.

Beret, I hadn't though of asking yoga insurance carriers....perhaps I will. Thank you for chiming in, I was pulled away from this thread for duties of business. Maria...IAYT is used in this discussion because they are the ones driving for regulation. Self regulation just meant that they set themselves up as an organization, charge members fees, teach their curriculum and regulate them selves.....talk about biased! There is definitely politics going on between YA and IAYT, each one wanting the opposite. What in the world does "walking along side Western medicine" mean anyway? That says "We don't wanna bother with getting your licenses so we will create our own catch phrase and do the same thing so please let us and leave us alone about it. I'm not leaving it alone. Yoga Adjustments: These adjustments have the intention of assisting the student into asana....very different from applying therapeutic applications and are quite in line with SOP for yoga teachers. DOSHAS: 1.(in Ayurvedic medicine) each of three energies believed to circulate in the body and govern physiological activity. ^^ This falls into the Oriental Medicine definition I gave you above, hence Yoga Therapists are skirting licensing by calling it yoga. By your argument, yoga therapists utilize Ayurveda to treat the person holistically. Then why not just call it practicing Ayurveda? The only reason fathomable to call it something else is the good ol' Western way of capitalizing on a modality by renaming something so it can be marketed as somehow special or different. The yoga philosophy is just that: philosophy and would actually fall under the Board of Psychologists or behavioral specialties.

When I think back to some of the instruction I have received in yoga classes, even at the studios of the most amazing and experienced teachers....in one class many years ago I asked for assistance in Urdhva Dhanurasana because my shoulder was hurting a nd was told "It's like that for everyone. Release the ego. Stay in the pose." Do you follow Matthew Remski? He is doing a fabulous project looking at injuries in yoga and the culture surrounding yoga teaching and instruction called WAWADIA "What are we actually doing in asana?" He is one of the most intelligent voices in yoga at present IMO. The brilliant introduction to this project is found at this link. Interesting reading for anyone who's involved with yoga or yoga therapy. It questions some ancient assumptions inthe yoga world http://matthewremski.com/wordpress/multimedia/wawadia/

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