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Has anyone had any experience with Rosetta Stone and/or become fluent in a language? I'm genuinely interested in learning another language but don't have either the...
Anonymous replied:
I have used it for Japanese with excellent results. However, I found it much less useful for french (especially with a cold) -I've lost count of the number of times during the course of a particularly ill week that I've been sat at my desk shouting ' Poisson, Poisson! poisson poisson FUCKING POISSON,. Ah, fuck it, I'll just give up fish!'
adifferentjk replied:
From my experience, Rosetta Stone is really great for learning vocabulary, but not so much for learning to speak in conversation. That being said, they have revamped it quite a bit lately it seems, including speaking to native speakers live, so this may be a moot point. Personally, I preferred Pimsleur. A little more expensive, and boring as hell, but it'll get you speaking in complete sentences fairly quickly.
evildarkarmy replied:
El caballo esta saltando. That's all I learned.
Anonymous replied:
You need to actually use the language in real life. Looking at pictures on a screen and repeating shit isn't going to form strong enough connections in your brain to remember hundreds of thousands of language patterns that you need for basic proficiency.
I have a high level of functional proficiency in Japanese. I live in Japan and use it every day at home and at work. If you can't use it every day, I recommend reading novels. It's not the ideal solution because there is no auditory component (unless you can find the audiobook version to accompany it), but it provides a rich and meaningful context from within which to absorb all of the thousands of words and phrases and patterns contained therein. Since everything is connected to everything else many times over within the context of the story--as opposed to random isolated sentences--the memories you form will be much stronger. I can sometimes identify the page in a book where I first learned a word.
tldr: you need to have real conversations in meaningful situations as much as possible. next best thing in my experience is reading novels.
Meowciful_Agent replied:
I was a test subject for my middle school's Rosetta Stone program (the one you're talking about) a few years ago and I chose German as the language I wanted to learn. I don't know if it was the package my school chose, or if I was just not committed enough to learning the language, but I honestly didn't learn much. I found it somewhat confusing trying to guess which picture matched what the speaker was saying. Also, I think it's worth noting that I only used the program for a year, so I'm not sure whether spending more time on it would have helped me learn more or not. Overall, though, I didn't have much with Rosetta Stone and I wouldn't recommend it.
Anonymous replied:
what language are you interested in learning? i have a plethora of language resources, as i am ... quad lingual? english, spanish, french and i am learning irish. i will post a ton of things tomorrow when i can get to my laptop.
i haven't found rosetta stone or similar products useful, for varying reasons, but most people love it. there are really, really great pod casts for french and spanish on itunes. they're called coffee break french and coffee break spanish. try those out. they're slow and subtle immersion learning. i like them because the lessons are short (15-20 minutes, hence coffee break), and easy to digest for beginners. you can subscribe on itunes and download them on the websites for either language.
totally going to get back to you with more.
married_to_a_reddito replied:
The trouble with this is that it does not teach you grammar in such a way that were you to discover a new verb, you would know what to do with it. Also, they teach you like, the four main tenses (referring to Spanish) but leave out the other ten... I don't know how you could possibly be fluent with a structure like that... I have been studying Spanish for more than 2 years in a major university (it is my major) work in a field requiring Spanish, and am in the top of my classes (4.0 GPA after all this) and I am still not fluent. That takes immersion.
GlockGrad replied:
I used it for Japanese and logged nearly 100 hours on it, I found it to be helpful only in the sense that it helped me refresh what I knew (having studied Japanese for a bit in college). In the end, the only way to learn the language is to speak it consistently with natives.
putsomelimeonit replied:
The best thing to do if you can't live in a place where your desired language is spoken is to do it old-school.
Get a grammar book or similar online site and hammer your way trough it.
Start with the basic verbs in present and past tense. Move on to irregulars. Increase your vocabulary with books(really good) and subtitled movies that you enjoy.
You won't the energy to work books or be able to hold a real conversation without good grammar. Books or movies you enjoy will have you learning without much effort.
If you're really serious reaching complete fluency in a language, you're gonna want move to a place where it's spoken eventually.
(I'm fluent in seven languages)
TL:DR Your foreign language teacher was right. Grammar is key.
charkshark replied:
Rosetta stone is a glorified phrasebook. Get some real textbooks (Routledge Colloquial series, Teach Yourself +CDs) and work your ass off.
Hotdogsforsale replied:
Look up michel thomas. Audio courses in french and spanish, highlighting commonalities between english and those languages. Starts from scratch with two other people who have no familiarity with the language, gets you conversing in no time.
toji53 replied:
What language is it you're interest in learning and why do you want to learn? You have to be *very* motivated to stick with self study. There's no outside pressure like there would be with tutors and courses. Sometimes that reinforcement is extremely helpful to make lasting connections in the brain.
Ramennov replied:
Try LiveMocha.com. It's essentially the same software and a great portion of it is available for free.
RaiderPower replied:
I think each language has different results. Rosetta Stone German and Russian have led to me saying some weird things to German students and German students saying some weird things to me. But I know a lot of people who have done very well with Rosetta Stone Spanish and Japanese.
TheCrownedWolf replied:
I think that Rosetta Stone works pretty well. For the cost, I think you'd be better off just signing up for a college class, but RS is a good second bet if you can't drive to class.
alatus replied:
I've been teaching myself French for the past few months. [This article](http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/08/22/how-to-learn-a-foreign-language-without-spending-a-cent/) was particularly helpful when I was starting out, and [the author's website](http://www.fluentin3months.com/) was very encouraging.
I've used Rosetta Stone a bit, but the repetition is wearying, and I just feel like I'm learning vocabulary, rather than a thorough understanding of grammar/verb conjugation/sentence structure/etc. I wouldn't use it alone or as a primary tool for learning. But I think newest version includes live sessions with a tutor via online voice chat.
I also use [Anki](http://ankisrs.net/) occasionally. Again, good for vocabulary, but not much else. Especially because I can't get the sound files to work on my phone. It's great if you're waiting in line or on the metro.
What I think has most helped me are the two French workbooks I got (from the free box!) [They're from the late 60's](http://www.amazon.com/PREMIER-LIVRE-WOORKBOOK-FRENCH-FIRST/dp/B0010KF4WS), but I figure basic language doesn't evolve quickly enough for that to matter. It's more of brief reviews and worksheets, rather than a text book, so sometimes I have to take a bit more initiative with figuring out vocabulary and other minor things. However, I think I learn and remember it better when I'm actively pursuing the answer, rather than having it presented to me straight-up. The only problem is that I don't know how everything is pronounced, but I use [Forvo](http://www.forvo.com) for that.
It also helps to make a friend (look around online for a foreign penpal) converse with you. I do my best to use French whenever I can while talking to my friend in Montreal. He'll help fix my grammar and fill in words I don't know. If I'm having trouble pronouncing something, he'll break the word down and walk me through it. This is probably the best resource to have!
mherick replied:
I used it for Mandarin and I've got my toddler speaking it some as well. I really like the program, you jut have to be disciplined enough to go through the program daily and regularly.
crh replied:
Without knowing which language you want to learn, I'll just say that there are [a lot of free resources here](http://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/gt1 t7/). There are plenty of options besides Rosetta Stone, despite it being the only language course that ever has advertisements and thus the only course many people know of.
g-dragon replied:
rosetta stone is shit. I don't know how it is now but when I used it all it was was matching a phrase some voice said in another language to a picture without translation. I wasn't taught the alphabet, grammar, vocab, nothing.
elamo replied:
I used it for Mandarin and thought it did some things really well. Great for teaching nouns/verbs/adjectives, and other directly translate-able words. I think it's probably the easiest way possible to learn these things. But of course you will still have to make an effort, and still put in time. A lot of people expect it to just happen, but don't actively connect the sounds/words/pictures.
For more abstract parts of the language, it's not so great. If you're really bright, you'll be able to pick it up. But teaching someone grammar without any translation (Rosetta Stone is very much against translation) is quite difficult. I always felt that just a bit of translation would really improve things, but they adamantly disagree. I suspect this is not actually due to learning effectiveness, but more due to practicality of avoiding translating into all hundreds of languages the customer might speak.
TLDR: I highly recommend you check it out, as it's more friendly than any other method. You still have to put in effort though.
Anonymous replied:
The program is fairly simple and not worth how expensive it is. I suggest getting a torrent.
Anonymous replied:
It was okay for starting to learn a language, but it really set me back on one I was already fairly experienced at.
Berniemx replied:
I basically learned English by surfing on the internet, watching movies with English subtitles (now I rarely use them), watching shows, working in a bilingual call center (here in Mexico), videogames ,etc... I took English classes as a kid too, also, recently I took like 2 courses of german, which I did pretty good (like 96 out of 100 in the grade), I think knowing English helped me a lot to learn a bit of German very quick
tjblang replied:
Regardless of the method you choose to learn it, the best advice I can give you is - try not to memorize phrases, or map one word of the new language to one word of English. Instead, try to understand the concepts of the grammar and how they all relate to each other. If you can understand the underlying patterns before you try to start talking fluently, you'll find that everything else fits into place much better. I haven't done Rosetta Stone, but I am a trilingual linguistics major, so if you have any more complex questions, let me know. I can elaborate more if you like.
blckravn01 replied:
I studied German every night for 6 months before traveling to Germany with RS. I found that though I learned much, it did not teach grammar. It is entirely contextual learning and entirely in German. The gimmick is that you
'learn like a baby learns its first language.'
I had to go online and look up rules and proper sentence structure lessons in English to help understand what I was learning.
Results, I can get around quite well on the streets, order in restaurants, ask for directions, and hold moderately intelligent conversation. I can pick out words I don't understand and ask what they mean; I even learn new things listening to natives speak English and make errors because they're thinking in German. People compliment all the time on how well I speak and pronounce the language. It only helps to get your foot in the door and you will need some outside help.
sc0ttt replied:
I've studied three languages at university level. I've also picked up fun language skills in a dozen or so other countries in my travels. The idea that you can become anything like fluent in any language without memorizing verb conjugations, noun declensions, grammar and sentence structure details is just a dream IMO. But I got Rosetta Stone Dutch and have been pretty happy with how quickly I learned enough to have a lot of fun. I've also used Pimsleur (boring) and Transparent (pretty good but has some annoying bugs). Rosetta Stone is definitely one of the better ones, but don't set your expectations too high.
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Lichtsprecher replied:
all of you are undermining the importance of my temporary job
fastslowfast replied:
I bought Rosetta Stone and now I'm fluent in stupid. Thanks, Rosetta Stone!
SteveWBT replied:
I studied Spanish with Rosetta Stone and it worked well. I went to Costa Rica a short while later and was able to converse almost immediately.
I'm currently learning Mandarin Chinese and again started with Rosetta Stone and found it to be quite frustrating. I now live in China and take lessons, which have been far more successful, and use Rosetta Stone to reinforce those lessons and learn vocabulary, which seems to work.
It may depend on your learning style, but a few friends have had similar experiences - finding RS excellent for learning latin based languages, but lacking for others like Chinese and Japanese.
For a free online course, also have a look at [http://www.livemocha.com/](http://www.livemocha.com/), or iTunes/iTunesU for podcasts
flex_donkey replied:
Also curious whether the software has actually worked for anyone...
h8mgn8 replied:
I've used Pimsleur and have learned Portuguese and Spanish.
veddy_interesting replied:
I'm a fan of the Michel Thomas method: http://www.michelthomas.com. No books, no memorization. I bought the CDs, ripped them to MP3 s and then listened on my iPod in the car and while walking around. I've used it before trips to France and Italy and it worked really well. That said, in my admittedly limited experience, you can't expect miracles. I learned enough to get me through vacations without embarrassing myself but I am still far from fluent. I believe the only way to become truly fluent is to speak the language daily, in conversation with native speakers. YMMV. Good luck!
anriana replied:
look for language exchange with an immigrant
Lobin replied:
I've been using RS for Swedish. Haven't gotten very far, but I can tell you that I already find myself thinking simple sentences in Swedish. ("I'm eating rice" is a particular problem.)
i'm starting spanish lessons and would love some great spanish-language film recs to help me practice listening. have any?
Tyler N. replied:
El Cuarto Misterioso was designed for learning to listen to Spanish. Very 90s, oddly entertaining. https://sites.google.com/a/pennridge.us/rgiguere-pennridge-org/calendar/El-Cuarto-Misterioso/el-cuarto-misterioso-episodios
Sarah B. replied:
El Orfanato! http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0464141/
Ronia replied:
Maria Full of Grace, Motorcyle Diaries, All About My Mother, Y to mama tambien
Alejandra R. replied:
Look at Spanish TV shows on Netflix, too. Velvet & Gran Hotel are two faves. Time in Between is a good miniseries.
Any suggestions on where to stay in Barcelona?? Neighborhood?
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Can anyone recommend a good language school for learning Spanish? I would need to go to classes outside business hours. But maybe I should just get Rosetta Stone???
Breanna I. replied:
I use the app called Duo Lingo for French and it's great, I'm sure they have it for Spanish. Rosetta Stone although is the best out there
We are looking for an excellent native speaker Hebrew language tutor for our 7 year old son for once or twice a week 1.5 hour lessons.
Level - beginner.
All...
Jennifer A. replied:
I would highly recommend Tamar Gold (tamarlindenfeld@gmail.com) as she was just recently tutoring my 8 year old son. She has experience across a variety of ages and is absolutely wonderful with kids. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Arabic Language School Recommendations? Hey all... Google search has provided quite a few Arabic language schools and courses to choose from in the Manhattan / Queens...
Anonymous replied:
I've heard great things about [Fluent City](http://www.yelp.com/biz/fluent-city-new-york). I just signed up for their Spanish class, and it looks like they have Arabic, too.
Recommendation for Chinese language school in NYC Hey everyone! I'm a recent college graduate who wants to continue studying Mandarin. Can anyone recommend a language...
sanpakublues replied:
What class size are you looking for? What's your learning style? What's your schedule like? What's your level? These are rhetorical, but would be good stuff to include so others can help you with their recommendations... Regardless, the place I go to is in Hell's Kitchen/Times Square. It's very small, only 1 teacher, and my class has 3 people. I'm not sure what my teacher's doing class-wise, but I really recommend her and if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them. Her site: http://www.chineselearningfount.com/index.html
Pennwisedom replied:
I'm actually a big fan of the language classes that the school of Continuing Ed has at NYU. They're also reasonably priced.